*People vs the rich. There, fify.
In our currently reality this really isn’t a distinction
I can see where you’re coming from. Imo, it is very much different things. The government is a bunch of people who were elected by people. They were coerced and influences before so I’m not saying fair elections. The rich are mostly people who inherited money and exploited a bunch of people to get more money, over generations.
Imo, there is a biiiig distinction. The former are incompetent at best and malicious at worst. The latter are a problem by definition and on top are malicious at best and actively cruel at worst.
Same thing…
Easy way to prove thats not the case.
Take out the government and the rich still have everything
Take out the rich and the government will seek other masters.
Exactly. The government cracks the whip but the rich own it.
Get rid of the rich & the govt will just transfer ownership of the whip to another entity.
Personal opinion: The idea of a government or at least a democratic consensus and few people spearheading certain efforts does make sense in my mind. The issue is manifold. People with power/money are actively coopting every entity that can limit their power. You cant change that. if the government goes, another form of government comes and it will not be great because people arent educated and self thinking enough for that. What we need is push, not destroy. The rich push back so they need to go but besides that I say reform, not take out “the government” whatever that means.
The idea of a government or at least a democratic consensus and few people spearheading certain efforts does make sense in my mind.
Most people cannot imagine a world without a state. It’s absolutely ingrained from an early age that we cannot survive without one so people do not even consider alternatives.
People with power/money are actively coopting every entity that can limit their power. You cant change that.
Because those with power will always try to assert it over those with none. There is an inane belief that being endowed with wealth and/or power somehow makes them morally superior.
Guillotines quickly dispel that myth! ;)
if the government goes, another form of government comes and it will not be great because people arent educated and self thinking enough for that.
As soon as people invest in their community and begin putting into place structures of support, the time will come when the state is removed, becomes impossible to reinstate unless those community structures are destroyed, because why would you need the state if people are doing things for themselves better, more efficiently and with less corruption?
Our dependency on the state is nurtured because it exists only to maintain the status quo of the wealth & power of the elite class.
It is impossible to reform such a corrupt institution.
I‘m not really in the mood rn to discuss this at length but I see your point. The conclusions you draw arent really logical to me though.
Yes, we should put things in place that make a government obsolete. Thats what the fediverse and FOSS is for.
No, taking out the government instead of reforming/replacing it with something better will only make it worse since the influence of the powerful gives them the advantage.
The guillotines prove my point: there was a pretty famous anarchic movement during the french revolution iirc that got coopted by psychopaths inside the movement which led to it just forming another oppressive entity after. The guillotines that we need are federated replacements for every single service the megacorps and governments out there currently lord over us and then we have the power to take over.
The issue with violence is always psychological. The bullied often dream of violence and rarely does anything happen. If it does it never has the desired effect. I know, I have been there. Since then I started to engage in my local community to counteract this stuff. I‘m one of only a couple people doing this. Most folks dont do shit.
Its the silent majority that needs to move their butts, not a vocal minority screaming for violence. Also, those in power will always send people who start violence to give them reason to use violence against us. Its self defeating.
Ya, the state is a tool of the rich.
